What they learned: Four UW entrepreneurs focus on the big question  

May 22, 2019 By David Tenenbaum

As the University of Wisconsin–Madison continues to gain recognition for fueling Wisconsin’s high-technology economy, we wondered what some pioneers had learned during their transition from scientist to corporate leader. Four experienced entrepreneurs with UW–Madison roots shared the cardinal lessons they learned as university-based entrepreneurs.  

Photo: Mackie seen through tomotherapy machine

Thomas “Rock” Mackie: “If you need to raise a lot of money right away, hire someone who has raised money as CEO of a startup.” Photo: Jeff Miller

Thomas “Rock” Mackie, an emeritus professor of medical physics, is chief innovation officer at UW Health. His startups include a radiation treatment planning firm that was acquired by Philips Medical Systems, and TomoTherapy, whose innovative treatment machine is still being made by Accuray, Inc. In 2015, Accuray had 266 employees at the Madison factory that makes TomoTherapy equipment. Mackie is also involved in four other Madison-area startups.

Q: What is your key wisdom from the startup realm?  

A: If you don’t have experience in business, make sure you have good business team, and a good CEO. Modern accelerators and incubators focus on removing risk and teaching something about the business worldThey are useful, but often are too short. 

At minimum, your business leader has worked in a company, and is ready to step up to be CEO. They could be from the engineering team, but iyou need to raise lot of money right awayhire someone who has raised money as CEO of startup. Without this knowledge and experience, you will be incurring too much business risk. 

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Jignesh Patel: “Hire good people and get out of the way.” Photo by: David Tenenbaum

Jignesh Patel, professor of computer science, has begun three successful startups. His newest, DataChat, has 12 employees. The company makes software that allows customers to extract significant findings by “talking to their data.” No laborious coding needed. 

Q: What’s the most important thing you have learned from your startups? 

A: It’s really simple: Hire good people and get out of the way. If it’s a technical role, look for someone who really understands the technology and is innately curious about new things. In computer science, for example, if you don’t read the literature, in a year you are outdated.  

On the business side, you need someone who truly understands what it means to be customercentric. Do they have empathy for what the customer is trying to do?  It’s not about winning the account, it’s about making the customer successful.  

It can be very hard to recognize good people up front, and you have to be ready to say, “I have made a bad hiring decision.” It should not take too long to know who does not fit if you are working closely together. One of the most painful lessons I’ve had to learn is that at some point you have say, I just can’t work with this person. 

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Greg Piefer: “You need good people who are with you, who have bought the vision, who have your back.” Photo: Courtesy of SHINE Medical Technologies

Greg Piefer earned a Ph.D. in engineering physics before starting Phoenix LLC in Madison to manufacture his invention, a fusion-based neutron accelerator. He then started SHINE Medical Technologies in Janesville to make an isotope needed in about 20 million scans annually for heart disease and cancer. On May 9, 2019, SHINE broke ground on a factory to produce one-third of the world’s demand for this isotope, molybdenum-99.  

Q: You are on your second high-tech startup. What’s the most important thing you have learned?  

A: It’s just how much you depend on other people. When I started Phoenix, it was a one-man shop, and it was big a transition to where I am now: entirely dependent on other people.  

So you need good people who are with you, who have bought the vision, who have your back. Are they fighting for the dream, the bigger picture, or looking out for themselves? 

I miss playing on the hardware, but as leader, you can multiply by so many times what you are able to accomplish. I have very ambitious visions that I may not achieve in my lifetime, but there is no way in hell I could get them done in my lifetime by myself. 

AGARWAL photo Courtesy Imbed Biosciences 

Photo: Portrait of Ankit Agarwal

Ankit Agarwal: “People can spend a lot of time and money perfecting the product …, but you can run out of money that way.” photo courtesy of Imbed Biosciences

Ankit Agarwal founded Imbed Biosciences in Fitchburg in 2010 to make a next-generation wound care product. MicroLyte Ag contains a low but effective dose of antibacterial silver on a backing that is absorbed into the wound, eliminating painful bandage removal. In concert with physicians and scientists at UWMadison, Agarwal started developing MicroLyte while earning a Ph.D. in chemical and biological engineering at the UW 

Q: What is the critical lesson you learned in the 10 years you spent developing the advanced wound care system? 

A: The most important thing is not to run out of money. People can spend a lot of time and money perfecting the product or building up production capacity, but you can run out of money that way. Instead, do things that will help you raise enough money to make the next step. We made what is called the “minimum viable product” that was sufficient to get approval by the FDA. That was a big inflection point that enabled us to raise more money to improve our product and production.   

From there, our strategy was to get into the hands of physicians in outpatient clinics, who became champions for our product to get into the formulary at those hospital systems. MicroLyte is now available to all physicians in several hospital systems, which enables us to raise more money. We have 12 employees, and are in the process of hiring five salespeople. That’s satisfying, but what’s more satisfying is that patients call us every day, telling us we helped cure a wound that had not healed for years.